All right near enough 7 o'clock straight up we'll go ahead and get started I'll
call this meeting to order 1st thing I'm going to do is go over the agenda for
tonight we have. 2 items of nothing out of the new business the 1st is
a request to the dear be by Chris are to the you know this is
a preliminary and final platter of you free to lot subdivision at 89 Raceway road
and this is in the rural act district. The 2nd piece of business is
a sketch plan review this is great art l.l.c.
7 lots of division at 69 Packard road and that's
a village zoning district and then the 3rd piece of business tonight is to approve
the minutes from our previous meeting which was September 11th and at that point we
expect to or Journ the public meeting and go to deliberative session so that's our
agenda for this evening any changes Woakes. No Ok so one of the way it was
published very good these proceedings will be conducted in an orderly manner
consistent with our rules of procedure so I'll be running through them I'll be
running that tonight if you wanted There are copies of the rules or procedure that
we used on the website and you could get
a copy from Chris also as people come in if you please sign in that would be
helpful. At this point I want to request
a disclosure of any conflicts of interest or any ex parte communication with us Ok
thanks to disposed of that so this point to talk about the interested persons rule
. Although many members of the public might be interested it is only permit
application only statutorily defined interested persons may appeal the decision of
the zoning it missed or the deal or date. If an interested person fails to make
a timely appeal all persons are bound by the officer Derby's decision or act only
those interested persons who have participated in a deer be proceeding may appeal
a decision Ranta in that proceeding in environmental court pursuant to state
statute participation consists of offering through oral or written testimony
evidence or
a statement of concern related to the subject of the proceeding so this is why they
asked people to sign in because one of the part of the work that we do as a d r
d is to establish who participated in each hearing and that helps us to have the
Senate Schieffer that and also later on we go to public comment and we ask the
public to participate if you could give us your name nice and loud and clear so
then I can get it in the minutes that will be helpful also. Interested persons
include the applicant or if the applicant does not on the subject property the
person owning title to the property and Minas a pallet that has a plan or by
a lot issue in an appeal or any municipality adjoining that municipality it person
owning or occupying property in the media neighborhood of
a property that's subject to any zoning decision or act who can demonstrate
a physical or environmental impact on
a person's interest of the criteria reviewed and who alleges that the decision or
act of confirmed will violate human is will play or by law. Any 10 persons either
voters or landowners who buy sign petition to the d.m.v.
Allege the decision or act of confront will violate them in
a civil plan or by law the petitioners must designate one person to serve as their
representative and any department administrative subdivision of the state owning
property within the miss
a polity and the agency of promising to develop so. That's why I wanted to explain
this because that helps us with the with the sanity and why that's important one
more piece of preliminary work here this is
a quote as I judicial hearing that means that anyone who intends to speak must be
sworn in so what I will do is I will read this over and people who are going to
participate you can just say I did You will be sworn in. I hereby swear that the
evidence I get in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and
nothing but the truth under the pains and penalties or perjury Why didn't you get
x.
So this point the 1st applicant is Chris or who's going to speak for Chris. Ok so
if you go ahead you can go ahead and explain the application to your deep purple
Reaper. This is a little bit of a strange one it was
a decree. To 2 to 2 people Mrs Davis who lives in the mobile home on lot
on and she's here and Chris are you know. Really. They came in for
a sketch and then one Rubenstein did this Plath class actually filed in land
records and when I got involved I said well that's nice but it didn't get approved
to be filed in the land records it needs to get final approval so that's what
they're here for is to they have 5050 ownership of the parcel and this
subdivision is to make it true 5051 owns 50 percent where they thought they were
already Ok so this is the property plotted 63.4 acres lot want to get and
has the mobile home close to. Raceway. Because this is dead group there.
And it's will be $32.00 acres in size a lot too has
a vacant lot no proposal on it just this is just tonight just splitting this
parcel and that's $30.00 acres in size and has
access easement across lot one. We've received the staff notes there is
a sheet to the show's been work detail. Created by our office the
main things you'll see the 10 foot contrary to all sonnet Raceway route road here
there are 30 foot access easement. And at the back of the parcel Well
not quite the back of the parcel there's there's 2 main restrictions on this parcel
there's there's well that protection areas that will need to be protected in the
future if anything's proposed and there's
a dear wintering area in the back part of the parcel. But for the most part because
the slopes any future development would have to stay close to the low side of the
parcel when she once you get back to about this point it just gets too steep.
Driveway requirements and such but again this is just for the splitting the
parcel and half I know it was noted in the public notice as you
said tonight ferry plenary and final I think it's just final and some minor
subdivisions so I don't think that. That's what was asked Ok but I'm not sure with
mine or whether you've been in the Clinton area it's often. Finds correct. So I
have received staff notes so I can go to the parts that I think you want me to go
to or we can go to each section whatever you'd like what are you going to dress the
staff notes and that we can go to questions after that Ok. So most of them on page
210.8 to 10.12. There's there's nothing to comment on again
because this is just splitting and a lot of half
a lot of the staff notes are this is just putting the
a lot of half. On page 3 there's no waivers being requested.
Down on
a section 11 point one The app can is proposing to use current her code Andris
We've proved to service both lots lot one has
a current residence on it and there's
a proposed 30 foot right away access slot to the the right of way they coming close
to each other but it's not. The sheer drive at that point.
The excesses would be private drives on page 4 now that is true. Section
11.4 point one
a lot one has that but frontage lot 2 has the 30 foot right of way that is also
true let me point for point 2 if there's any further development.
The dear b. . If the d. Or b.
Feels the need to place conditions on either lot as it relates to future
development this can be should be considered I'm not sure what. If anything's
proposed it has to come back to you so I don't know that. I don't know that there
be any benefit to try to craft some language at this time again the dear yard the
slopes will have protection areas or the main restrictions if anything
forward. Section 11.4.8 Development Review Board shown courage laugh
play out that will preserve open space and significant natural resources. This.
Is an extension of what Stephen already did but again it's the clearest 5050 split
of the property so it does create other than odd law shape up on the north side
that's existing the North lot line the common law line that's proposed just split
slop in half. Creating 2 rectangular lines.
On page 5 talks about grading and again no further
development considered at this time.
6. Down on the water supply and sewage
disposal I agree with that
a lot one will be exempt I do need to do one soil logger on Lot one as
a follow up with the state engineer I have submitted to the state engineer for
exemption and he's agreed with the session that he wants me to verify the
stats and soil type closer to Diane's residence I did do some
soil testing previously. To down on the lower part and there was
steps and soils down on that lower played steps and soils are good soils for
conventional so. So I have no problem with 11.7 point one following
up as
a condition. I expect to have that. Exemption from the state.
Level point 7.3.4 talks about possible evidence of portable water
nothing new is being proposed at this time as far as potable water for single
family homes the one is existing the state allows. Single family
wells by default it's only when you get more than single family where they they may
ask for more information. Nothing else on 7.
Page 811.12.2 talks about underground utilities that's fine but there's no
utilities being proposed at this time. Let me point 13 talks about storm water
again no impervious no additional impervious serious or proposed at this time same
with
a roach control point 132 point one. Legal documents on page
9. We agree that prior to filing the plat I would think that there
would be a basically a good deed for
a lot one that's in cumbered by the 30 foot easement and the deed for law to that
benefits from the 30 foot easement let the attorney do the rest but that's that's
about it. And that will be provided to staff prior to the
Platts. 10.12.9.4 point one.
Other than the 30 foot access to law to there is no other easements right away
these legal documents that would be necessary for this proposal.
$10.00 There is this is not a p.r.t.
There be no more Association Mrs Davis will have 100 percent ownership of Lot one
and Chris over to be you know will have 100 percent ownership of lot to. Which
they kind of already do in your land records which.
Nothing else that I found on page 9 on the final page. Just talks about that this
is just dividing the current lot jointly owned into lots so the individual owners
only each lot. And I think the 2 conditions. That I'm
aware of is the draft before the mylar. In the follow up on.
State waste water. Questions for more. You
see there's another coming in reluctant good 30 foot easement comes in right
near the driveway but it's not right at it it's not splitting off that existing
drive so there will be
a 2nd that's Which shown based on that 30 foot easement Yes Ok And
what's the row with the roof there. The root from 2. It's more than
adequate for
a lot of one. Because
171 that will record the road ourselves through
a little over 350 feet and with this trick is that this is in the.
Agricultural district. Raise minimum. And I should have had
the requirements on their foot I want to say is it $300.00 for the ag district.
For
a conventional lot to do what do you think. 400. So
it's
a it's an existing lots you've got 354 here for I'm sorry 254375
is with the existing front inches. And you are allowed you know the regs do
allow the 30 foot access easement to another lot so my suggestion is we're not
making any nonconforming. Any thought of keeping to just one curve comes.
I think that will get flushed out with
a proposal on Lot 2 because we'll have to deal with the highway department that see
that easements. Kind of
a floating easement So if it ended up that it had to be I think that could be
accomplished you know explain more of what we mean by floating easement I mean
there's ones on the plateau where there aren't. Good I do not like. For
most easements for them to have bearings and distances and these don't so it's
a 30 foot easement to be centered on the drive. That way it gets floats with where
they drive and so actually being instead of have to file
a class 3 times so can you explain what the steps on the ground are now with
respect to that and where the driveway is because it's hard as it used to harvest
you know on the plaque of what's where. I should have.
Planted it would be well I think on sheet one I also had the. Worth of
total overlay I think we submitted didn't have the Orb The photo overlay but the
the existing the existing house comes in approximately the center. Of that
frontage. Goes you've gone by the mobile home doesn't sit too far into the bar so
that you may have see the mobile homes on this planet does what we did does show
that this is the existing drive here I'm certain it was right. Just to do.
So. So here's your frontage from here all the way to their center
is the existing drive that goes into the mobile All this shows splitting off. At
that location so it does allow for it to gives approximate distances but it doesn't
give bearings. So that's why it's not it's more centered on the drive
versus this is actually exactly where it needs to go. And I think
pretty much all these women should be that way because. Things aren't perfect when
you start I guess the question that I hear from Jeff in the morning I have as well
is now whether it is these you know we don't have a proposal for to actually build
a driveway here correct we do
a bowser to establish access to this other lot and for that to be conforming. It's
not
a new democratic cut permit and all that I would hate to have you say you're going
to do something which then turns out not to be in compliance in the future. You
need certainly the regs would encourage both of these to be access from one per car
even if the driver was forced to meet only after back just in
a traffic control 'd traffic flow standpoint that's the preferred solution you know
the the easement will allow for that it would be pretty much an immediate split.
But the easement would allow for that if that ends up being necessary but I think
the you know again I think that would be me standing out of sight with the road
foreman and is it one lot that's being proposed on lot 2 or is it 2 lots being goes
on but 2 That'll do that'll kind of dictate. I think the end result of that.
Gives more. To 3040 from 30 foot he's been
a beginner supporter probably really could really. No. I
think you're it would support the with of
a private road but by the time you worked with drainage in that the intent for the
30 foot is to meet the minimum requirement for
a driveway. So if it's separate that means for your
wrecks that
a lot too. Could have the potential for 3 lots if it's combined to
a potential for 2 lots. Matched potentially.
Could we go back to the other clever question about here yeah I guess that's the
east along Raceway Maybe soon I will define race like and I just. Understand I see
a bunch of overlay. Is
a mess over there own make sure I understand it this is. It's maybe it's legal to
critique. If you get a wetland advisory from the n.r.a.
And that's just off the property and then just onto the property that little gray
shaded area showed up on our mapping is prime ag. Just
a little strip and from the same in our mapping is where the deer wintering area
came in. So he explained more about where my question was is the hatch scary this
is well when I was very yes so so in our mapping has mapped wetlands and
those are ones that they've either mapped or most likely they've taken from aerial
photography and then they have. Ones that are very likely wetlands that ur
wetland advisory layer this showed up on wetland advisory layer and I certainly
expect that is where I am. But. So that's why you know we added it to to
our plan. And in that area you're not showing it is overlapping onto this
Paul into this property that I'm showing it as it shows on the n.r.
Mapping So I would expect that it you know follows the creek rate here but the
creek becomes much more channelized So when it when it creeps channelize sometimes
there is no wetland it's the creek itself but.
That's based on an our map and so if we if we were if if we found in the future
that in fact there's that that creek plus the. One
I mean the stream setback where would that be with respect to the.
Proposed right of way. Pretty pretty close. The right of
way. Appears to be. Because you know there's
a what if what if it was there's
a riddle you can bowl of cereal. Yes I was wondering is if there's
a word I want to foreclosure I get
a full size plan here so I should be able to get you to mention. Is the river of
the winter. So as shown on
this on the plan. The stream.
Is. $100.00 in
a long race way rude it's 125 feet to. Where the.
East meet goes in that's along the road if you went 90 degrees to the creek. It's
a fair amount closer from the creek at 7075 feet. So what I
what I did there the one distance is coming along the road the other distance is
going like this to the right away and that's now 75 feet. So we would have to if
that ends up being. If that ends up being class to wetland within that channel we
would have to maintain
a 50 foot buffer from the. Increase was the river all the way that is in the little
ears of you know that there is
a small portion of the property down. Near the river that is.
Leaking. I'm not so sure
if it isn't on my plan there's kind of
a. Pinkish line that follows the wetland advisory area and
then continues on to the property and I think that was the river the river overlay
you can you can it was flood story flood hazard area so from they are mapping
that's usually more restrictive than the river overlay but on on our sheet it
includes the flood hazard area we would or they know it's fine because what it is
and and crispy remind us what the restriction is from drug was in the new up there
Ok it really does the structures to produce things like that are allowed in septic
wells and those lines are Ok thank you that's why any.
Questions I've got
a couple more than I want to of the pond and to the. Twitter the chair was supposed
to shut up and let them talk but it's not working today. Do you when you talk
a little bit about the president septic permits can you say you're looking for
exemption is there any men that's needed because of the subdivision or where does
that stand now there's well so it's it's
a 62 week or 63.4 acre parcel and the mobile home predates
the closure of the 10 acre exemption so you can you can reduce the size
of the parcel as long as you're showing that there's adequate soils on the
remaining part of the parcel So even though block one is well over 10 acres it
would be $32.00 acres it either requires
a permit or requires an exemption the state doesn't want you to take away land
unless they know that the existing. Is Ok Right so the Stetson what I submitted was
a survey that the plan showed where the mobile home was show that the new line was
400 feet away showed the mapping that. Included the steps and mapping and I spoke
with the state engineer once he had
a chance to look at it and he says that all looks good uses but just get out there
and do an auger. In that so called stats and to prove the stats and so I still need
to do that to follow up with him so that's where I say one of the suggested
conditions would be just that already Plus lot to do is basically at the state
we're not proposing anything at this time so it's and it has
a standard deferral language and that nothing can happen that requires septic until
such time there is
a permit Ok that's understood. And then the other one last question I have is
we have this situation in the land records where this subdivision is
I will say this rather say the subdivision recorded but there's
a client that shows this proposed one case where exactly sure its status is that
we're trying to fix that but with respect to the internal walk in of new deeds
with this right of way and then
a new plaque based on this if this were to get approved how does that happen so
we're So here you're proposing to to file to to create deeds in the new
Kwak to get filed together yet the staff notes Chris suggested that legal documents
would be necessary part of filing the mylar so there would need to be a deed for
a lot want and
a deed for Lot to referencing that property pipe is going to be filed with the
indorsement Yeah the other one's really Nolen void even though it's sitting over
there is your sense of it places that is the most recent does but it's there it's
the approval. That's what I was going to I was
a warning about the sequence again so this is this is as with most subdivisions we
would do
a new plaque and new deeds that would. That deets will come in to Chris Gardner to
file records same time tonight that we get my mylar probably Ok for good thank you
. For the question trouble because I'm ready to go public on the truth.
Because you're only in the business that you need to get before the public on the
right so we're going to go to public comment on this application the way this works
is that any member of the public can make comments on this or ask questions about
it or the proposal all those questions and comments should come to the board or not
to the Apple came directly you should not expect to get into
a question and answer with
a applicant that is what's not going to happen but we certainly will gather up your
comments and we're going to and will gather your questions are you sure the biggest
pieces are that your skin are none of that so as I've discussed what about before
we go with the purchase of patient it's important that when when people
participated they give us can name I said medical record as well so is there any
public comment on this application. Yes or used to improve them you don't have to
stand you but just tell us your name Juergen did murder the 30 foot hills. Cop just
a question coming in to help us if this is approved as it's being presented today
and then someone in the future there's 'd an interest in developing residential
laws what what's the maximum size this could be I see there's
a little here but actually it would be in through like Rizzo and I live in
a 2 to one acre to a group of 5 so that's
a question I have for the board and then just
a comment to go with that. Some of your information to tell has this outdated I got
the letter from the town or via this medium because I got
a better but many of the other voters did not even see why they have you correct
names on their I did notify them I shared how people are reported but they weren't
notified because the records are out of date about who actually lives which of
these problems so I would encourage towns to get
a. Hint. Thank
you. No one else.
Ok so well more on that and so did so because I have I have
a question or comment here maybe we can These are both not really for the have more
procedural things that you have to the question about. Is this if there were to be
if you tradition in this this is Today in Your any. Size. So that's
really. Proposed. 30 years
serious you want someone eager to so you use the 10 years number density which
allows you to residential units if you want to do a p.u.g.
He'd still be allowed to do 3 residential units in those locks could be
a very exciting so the maximum development 3 the lot will be will be 3 from the
density standpoint and with regards to the addresses the can actually Smiths the
interest to us and we really to provide us the most accurate information and
information could have come from the town and the. Addresses could be
a day to day. So that we could procedurally the way that works as the Apple camp is
responsible for making sure the names are correct. I did get blisters
just before. It's the middle so is the information available just to just to be
clear what the process is. After make sure I understand this correctly the
applicant goes against the tax map I don't know what's the quote you caught
nowadays that's meant if that's happening in quotes not you got
a text back with their thoughts and looks and gets all the names of the about
r.c.m.
The names announcer ss because sometimes you get around all right so whoever may
get that you're getting their mailing address so whoever gets the tax bill would
have gotten the notification essential or should based on the latest information in
the listers office Ok And within this edition we we did have.
3 letters returned to the office and then 2 were no under the photos.
Thanks. The other restriction that Chris is right as far as density
research and the other research and where he talked about us in the access you know
. More restrictive than the fence. Right because of that because of the slopes and
the human capital or the right foot versus having
a 50 or 60 foot to the right. Well the question from the board.
Chris anything else you need. To know does its approval you know 180 days to get
the. Sun is that the plot in the in the legals but in all of the.
Yeah you know find out with the border sides and the countries you know what
conditions you're right sir China are all going to close and it's all right this
hearing is closed you'll hear from us with an official position within 45 days we
always try to pick it out if we can so thank you for your for being here and we'll
move along. The 2nd piece of Business for tonight is this is
a sketch review for 7 watts of the vision this is that 69 Packer very short
sketch here just
a little. Play in stores so I was just going to say that yeah that's important so
this is a this this hearing that we're about to do is
a sketch plane hearing that means it's much more informal then normal. Proposal
hearing what the idea is here is to do one of early look at what the issues are
around around a proposal 'd so that the applicant can get
a read on what the issues are early 'd on in the process before they commit to
a design or or store side or something like that to the way this is
a much less formal So who is here to talk about that regard I'll say is that you
again all right very good and I have
a feeling it. Will revert. To will see is Mike Gravel and then else.
You're back. There the owners the parcel is on after growed if
you go down after early task the more Commons which is the newer development on the
left and go about another quarter mile you get into the ground section. And you
have an existing. Farm house here and
a bar right there. This is the parcel on the west portion
was
a good portion of the westerly portion was conveyed to the town of Jericho recently
and portion of this piece this piece got a little bit bigger I think that's
a granddaughter of. The woods so this was.
Purchased by
a little see the proposal that you see in front of you it's proximately 22 acres
and we say approximately because the east side has not been surveyed yet so the
east side is based on the best available information the west side where we're
showing
a lot 12 and 3 that's the actual land based on the property plat. That
rattled and that conveyed the land to the town and contained some land to the
acronyms so sticking to the west side for now we're showing 3
loss they all meet or exceed your conventional lot requirements and one of the
things in the staff notes that we'll get to is discussion on p u p r
t or no p.r.t.
When I initially looked at this I was thinking when I started working with layouts
and walked part of the land I think it's much more conducive to conventional
development this is in your dense is Area your one acre zoning.
But it's it's
a transitional area if you drive down Packer road it's gravel the lots are larger
and I don't think it's appropriate to try to do half acre 30 or lots here. More
clustering than what we're proposing so
a lot one is shown. As $2.00 seekers it would include the barn.
Lot to be shown as an acre and lot is shown as an acre they have the required from
150 feet or more the intention would be to do on Lot septic what I show on there
now is just placeholders we haven't done so as testing yet soil mapping but we
haven't done so those testing so those are large enough for primary replacement if
things come out the way I expect to based on the based on soils it's
Miss for water we're showing that lot wanted to share
a driveway. And that the need for that is to get lost one you want to get
further away from the barn on either side just so that you have visibility so we
push we're showing that driveway pushed over as far as pretty much as far as we can
a lot 3 is the northernmost law proposed on the west side and that would be
a single driveway. There in these loss would be served by that is water
and. The proposed for a lot 3 is opposite
a driveway that is shown on this plan that I submitted for 3 lots on the
east side so the east side were proposing
a total of 4 lots lot 6 is existing home 2 point one acres cut around the existing
home and lot for 5 and 7 with lots 7 being
a very large lot and what you see over here with my hand is in fact 35 feet to
the north of that drainage way everything would be protected so we're kind of
paid to do it here so for scripted. By protecting all that area in the
same thing over on Lot 135 feet north of that. Drainage way is also
a protected area so there's only a front. Diagonally across
a lot why on the front is the usable bar and the diagonal back are protected our.
Sense I submitted to sketch. With Green Mountain Power
and during that visit decided that the driveway for
a lot more will not come in where it's shown that it will actually be combined with
a driveway for $5.00 and $7.00 so we expect that we'll have one drive one new
driveway on the east side that would serve
a lot for 5 and 7 has 3 so that's driveway and the snake
we're just. Going the other direction for
a lot for you Could you have to kind of snake it's not bad but you have to do
a little bit of
a snake because if you're away for the time present. And again I'm showing
placeholders for septic on those lots and the place holder on Lot 6
currently lots 6 not too long ago the woods had done
a septic system in they decided to do it on the barn side. We may actually look to
see if we can utilize that system for a lot wanted a lot to do it has
a wastewater permit. But we're not going to continue to utilize it for
a lot 6 we're going to try to have lots 6 self-sustaining and 6 or so presently
a lot 6 is piping across the road yet because a has has
a. They don't they bore on the road or open cut it but there is
a point that runs through so that they're able to
a sleeve that it runs through. And I've gotten that information I've talked to
Justin Willis who did that were actually he sent me his cad file I've talked to
Brad Holden he sent me his cad file so we have the previous information. As far as
the property flatwork on the West and Justin's work for the soils for the home.
Because it sketch there's not too much for staff troops.
But. Previous activity talks about the boundary line adjustment again the
boundary line adjustment because no locks were created the town of Jericho land
that you see there got added to more town of Jericho land so the absolute motion
boundaries all and then the Agnew's picked up some land both in the in the back
west side of their parcel in the north side and that was added to their lot so
there wasn't
a creation of the lots essentially the area that we're working on became smaller
from one much smaller from what was there. Department to review and
comments it is not known at this time if these proposed residential units will be
Runnels or sold. These will be sold and it will not be Ronald's. Mike Gravel and is
a home builder so he expects to be building the owners
they're working on updating the existing house need some work and want to clean
that up and sell that lot and sell that house. Early. In the process
after after approvals and the other all the other homes with the custom homes for
whichever customers come along. At the very end of that same
1st paragraph on the department reviews it would be recommended to develop
a shared maintenance agreement between locks for the shared drives if the units are
be sold we certainly agree that there needs to be assured me disagreement.
The next paragraph after all so as per section 10.13.2 the year your
regular. Asians are kind of unique to other towns in that that section talks about
if there's been 4 or lots I think with
a period of 10 years. That the board if they feel necessary can say do this is
a p p r t. P u d
r pish which I put in the cover letter is that because we're well
below. We're below that and Steve that that theoretically could be achieved here
preserving this whole area of law 7 staying $35.00. Riparian buffer from the
drainage way on both lot one and across the south side of Lot 6 in lot 7 that we're
achieving the goals of the overall goals of the p.
But more importantly I think. One acre lots is the smallest you should go with this
area just because it's
a transitional area the 2 smallest slots are lot 2 with 3 of those who want to take
her and they have 150 feet of frontage so I don't think it's appropriate and that's
quite honestly if I went to a p.u.g.
I would probably be looking to do one or 2 more lots here. Right I mean though the
purpose of the puti. The puti process is used when there's
a purpose to use it. One per one purpose where it's commonly used is produced is to
preserve open land in exchange for more density in the places where it makes sense
you have not chosen to do that it's your choice that would be
a possible purpose for if you did. I would like I wonder though what you're really
saying is lot 7 retains
a large area whether it can do there should be
a deed for live 7 that precludes further subdivision it's kind of it's going to
kind of be that way regardless because it's
a very footies meant that the driveway for
a lot floor is now being added to it so I'm at the max 3 units off the driveway but
regardless we're showing that it is being preserved for when you see preserved.
Preserved just no development but that new cutting wood What is your definition
mind as addition is no development and then usually I personally always want to see
that debt down diseased trees can be cut or snag trees and then with something like
this I think it's appropriate that. Sometimes you have something in there that you
know more than 2 words by
a lot owner could be you know if the lot owner is earning would they have the
rights to do that other than. Hopefully their 1st using the debt down disease trees
but they have some ability and the same thing on mine. Not one Jap lot on
the back have we should have the same restriction. I think we're the.
You know where the p.d.
With what wouldn't make sense to me on this parcels try to blast the road up in air
once you blast road have been there the cost the road dictates that you're trying
to develop over here also so that's that's why we're trying to. Serve us by
driveways like. Like I said before it's it's that's that's up to Bill though that's
up to the land owner to propose what they want to propose why my only point is it
would be. You know it would be one possible way that it will do this is used with
the process to trade moving the density close to the road in exchange for the
purpose of preserving that of that land but here this is the proof of the proposal
you're doing is also 'd makes sense yes if your peers were
a little closer to 15 and it were
a flat parcel right that may be the way that it was nothing other than asking about
2 is that it is the slopes and. And once and the president used I mean that's Would
you. Do I recall the woods used to sugar up there am I missed or is that the next
lot down. I do not know the history of the heavenly honors know that Ok did you get
on here were you see the lighter colors you know so for that's the one to do with 3
is the open field where the cutting will generally occur is house in your area
septic for a lot for
a lot 57 requires very little cutting because of the research ship and I did the
only other thing I was going to say is it is it would be useful when you do flush
out
a proposal but you know I see that you've placed notional positions for $12.00 and
$3.00 that we were so clear and you know on the 'd up stop make much don't don't
make much of him for additional information but they would for 4 of we're building
the will might be you know you know just with respect to the slope in the in the
woods right the Globes are shown currently see that but they're just shown as the
standard you know their standard conventional x.
Yeah so again we're not asking any waivers where I'm showing them the homes make
sense so I would expect from the way the land with the driveways lay the land
a lot sentence
a very nice lot so you want to get higher the way to get higher is to have that
shared drive further over share because you know you don't want to get close to the
Lot 6000 just works better so I excuse my use my old ones are getting all these
replace holders and it's really in the process the homes will be pretty close to
these locations Ok I just want I just wanted to you know just ask that when we see
this we want to we're going to see the slopes and of course you do
a driveway play and you'll put contours up it will be the level of information you
have I think and initially when I looked at that I basically just looked at the
length from point a to point b.
And put
a little in the drive so that certainly the speed flushed out children as shown
there long enough to be 10 percent requirement. So this is kept so I don't really
need to be too formal about it but I but you know I don't know if others on the
board have questions or concerns or actions are currently has since ceded with them
on 6 or in the. House and. Not I think
historically it was Ok but. There's no no real connection to have other than you
know historically so let it be attention wouldn't be the day and it would be
Parlato on. The teaching of the trees or. Dredge part of the
reason that I did away with
a lot of the driveway on lot for was even though this is sketchy I'll say that I
was
a little embarrassed because at that location we would have had to take out not
only take out a fair amount of stone wall but there's about
a 4 foot rise from the you have to do what where once you get down to where the
driveway is shown it was
a 5 stone wall that's no longer. And it's relatively flush off the
road you'll agree it's relatively flush I'll have to make sure Jeff but I think the
lot 3 driveway and a lot 12 driveway will cut through I'm still saying that it is
a home with instructions on the cars or stone both sides are just not positive not
positive if it runs as far as where the drives proposed
a lot wanted to but will be locating in there really great specimen trees and there
will be taken in the left when I will what I typically do not make sure of it based
on that is when the servant who is out there. I have a shoe and
a live healthy trees along there and if that dictates be shifting driveways I've
got the ability to do that is that block to the right of 7 is that the lead long
long. That cut that bond on No that comes off of that's
not a land line there that dotted line that's
a private drive of their own there I think the houses right here comes out of
a shared drive across the other lot and that pond is on on their lot because.
It's clear from the from the aerial photo.
We get make sure. You know so Stefano sets
I think the main thing that I had was to make sure we had the discussion on the the
beauty 1st conventional.
I think you want to get for going public on the. Continent you know the reason of
the puti issue was brought up as a section 1013 to one it's you know the media b.
Has. Some discretion to offer judgment you know you can be
a better result enough as opposed to measures so you know now will be the time I
think for the applicant didn't appear to be filtering in where another to advise
him or we can discuss and I can provide you know comes from parts of it may be
so I think is you know is the open to the space that is spaces are being preserved
. Again yet I think that I think that's right you know it as I said before the the
main reason why you see people use the pew defrosts s.
In this sort of
a walk is to be able to reconfigure where the access is somehow difficult if you
want to coster. To do that and do the un could do to the short you normally it's
frontage isn't driveways that that you use the p.t.
Process to close it up so and then trade that for the purpose of of the
preservation of
a lot if you're if you're going to do that anyhow then the then the sort of town
plan scale desire to keep open land open can be addressed that way and the
ownership of it isn't even so important as the purpose in the in the broader sense
of the of the town plan the few the process is
a tool to make that happen this is another way to do it so I don't I don't believe
Starwood goes to the board but I don't feel that there's a need to do a p.u.g.
If any do it just to get the. Gist to get that in
a different walked you know takes out help and I think lastly just. For the
weekend you know will we are ready for submission or prior it's going to be the
standard advisory committees being the fire department the water district
conservation energy trails things like that to be sickly as we develop an
application performance you should be able to meet with them which can be proved by
your standpoints we get comments when I'm. In that land was given to the town
you're cool with the restriction. I don't you know there's I
don't I am I have not read that condense and again Kristie know what there is of if
there is a if there is
a national plan that that's in that on that area that tends to lead up to the with
the existing existing land which is an expansion in the recent reviews owner had
allowed some trail expansion as well as public use of their land associated with
the neighboring trails in other spheres their own property so. Right so from the
trails committees point of view it would be. Easy to for them to coordinate
understand what's where that might be efficient to have you get to know that as
part of the submit a list is
a is where the trail whatever present leaders trails and so in that other lot and
whether there is access on Packer road you know it would be
a shame to close off access if that was the case but you know those who need to
know where they are right the whole purpose of that conveyance. If if I if the libs
had consulted with me I would have been saying you're giving away too much but the
whole purpose was that all the trails are on that town pretty quick so there there
isn't anything on this remaining thing as
a primary interest of the of the of the we to Lastly there was a. P.u.g.
That was done up through just just passwords common to the town didn't ask for. An
even better way for
a potential future sidewalk then maybe something that the give me want to. Think
that we the the town we ask for. The likelihood of the town putting
a sidewalk there in the near future is probably not very high but it gives the town
the ability down the road. If needed so if you could be have that with one of these
really one of things you sometimes not seem to would it's very helpful to know is
where is the actual rights of the right of way by Packard road versus where it's
actually maintained and whether there's an unwinnable war over there is for that
sort of aside the question of whether it effects I mean obviously there's
a narrow spot in the present part of the present house and that exhibit
a pinch point but it would be interesting to know all the rest of it we have again
we have the information from Brad So when my survey crew goes out. Will will be
time directly into that so please establish the right away on on the westerly side
we'll have to do our own property plat but we've got
a good starting point so I'll have to shoot the edge of the road and it'll show you
whether it's center whether it's not super. Will make sure Joe gets the minutes
from this really thought about. It but not sure how it shows here but he's not he's
not sitting for this hearing but he's our expert on the Rights of what he is you
know what the biggest issue Yeah Ok. I guess I'd like to I'd like to go to public
comment again this is a he said this is a. Not
a formal or proposal sort of but it's a sketch and it's
a good time for official comment to go to that so as it has before the idea is to
go public on it to the board again this is one more informal because it's sketchy
but it's
a problem this is this time. Go ahead Joe
president I think it's just curious the trail on some hill go broke.
Kind of in the back by the pond. That might be all trails like they used to be and
you said they don't look as maintained as the other side I was just curious because
I'm on the next flight up I'm kind of like I'm 85 Packard just north of this
proposal. Yeah the bottom picture or the ball is half.
Triangle the station Ok. Yeah right there so like there's
a look creek that runs behind my house and then there are some old trails that run
. Along the creek almost like
a stream that comes down from the pond to think. I was just curious since you said
there are no the trails anything good in public policy. Is Better clerk
there if you throw sort of you. Oh oh. They just
appreciate the. Do go spirit school run to do some tomorrow when. We have
a term of these are really ill to have to go through there will be no talk for
years or so oh the high priests are good but for the scream to do so
watts I'll 2nd that on my piece there I guess that's right behind me that was the
main concern when I'm sitting here so Ok this is
a. Regular group regular cover that your wife is the Gruen order
of the woods or there were other just personal journals or war who
you started really Ok with we were told.
So yes but I guess that's yeah that will be the only no one ever get it is weird I
get the same thing I asked as you know the intro I can with whatever trails are
presently in use I know that as Chris said that there are some well established
trails that are now on the town property and it would just be interesting to know
what what other uses there are 'd there presently and who owns horns What in the in
a given the proposal he had not sent and then of course passed the common on to you
they are on they appreciate but you wish you got about 15 of them of the buffers to
the neighbors it's again it's
a transitional area so even though it's the you know the highest density for
Jericho then. Other than the village and Underhill the actual order is there
it's more appropriate to do something along this line. Anything else and you know
part of it is where you know there was anything that was he did over there we
should be aware in terms of the proving it will lead us to so I don't know it's not
here I hope it's not what I hope it's quite the op. And I hope the trills committee
is nice nice to us because they will it's and gave them what they wanted and it
isn't so actually this is why this is why we always tell people who are with just
about here there is a yes there is an existing trill
a Here is the course really northern end of the property here now it comes in to
right Packard Packard Road area Yep and that previously was in the properties not
on the time property you have
a that I just happened to know that the trail goes right along the property line
because my son actually does
a trail work in there did on the wrong side of the property lines. If POTUS mistake
and no harm done but it was
a long time ago. As part of the record now is now Death
that. If you get the North it was
a real nice about it anyway. Is there anything else Ok so as I said before this is
a sketch it was just have to help the African understand sort of the context of the
what the issues were so anything else you want to ask us this point no. I don't I
would encourage if in future regulation changes. I mean doesn't matter to me
because I tell anybody that comes in we're going to sketch but you're one of the
few towns that is optional and it's just it's highly valuable I think for the
clients to be to you guys instead of somebody coming in with
a design and thinking that they're just going to class last through. It's hard to
make changes once you've got so far in the process. That.
Mission leaves next Tuesday to be happy. To sign you enough once you've studied
hard to bring that on as
a suggestion Perry it will move along that we have minutes from his previous
meeting. Where you breath time to move to the minute speed proofed house I could be
able to do it you are going to fill her. Yes Ok all those in favor.
In
a church who has written. You know. One of the piece of business I can do in the public
meaning before we move along the. Annual supplanting of zoning formed put on by the
Drama League of Cities and Towns is coming up I've been to these before and they're
very valuable I would encourage the members of the or if you take
a look see if they want to participate the town has offered to pay the tuition or
the whatever the registration fee if people are interested so you all should know
about that if you're interested let me know then I will have all of the richest sim
your contact information which you probably have and Paula will register you for
the. Same thanks he's going to let people know that he's the world journey from
which the.